Hello sir, You can help me choose which tires to put on my Ford F-350 dually. I work with a 4 car trailer and I do almost 2000 miles a week, I'm doing this for almost a year and now it's time to change the tires but I do not know what to put it on. Originally the f350 comes with Michelin and lasted 80k miles but they are very expensive to face that expense and I wanted to know if you can recommend me another brand. Thank you
missing a huge point here, the ford 450, 550 is a wide track truck and the rut wander is because of that more so than the tires, they have a odd ball width and that's why they pull, doesn't matter about the tire so much.
Very good information. Would like to know your ideas on spacers on a dually to increase size of tire. Is it safe to tow a heavy 5th wheel – 15000 lbs? I'd like a larger tire but not at the expense of my family's safety. Thank you.
I have a 2017 F-350 and 2018 F-450 Dually’s I hate with a passion the F-450 tires!!! It does exactly what you said and let alone grip in wet roads and snow sucks as well!
Where do you get your tired balanced? I have a 2012 f450 with 225/70/19.5 and they vibrate and shake the steering wheel. They have dynabeads in the tires but they don't help. I've been to two tire shops and they turned me away what's the deal.
Can you recomend rims for non-dualy? I have a f250 with the v10 I use primarily for towing. I would love to have a diesel dually but the truck is paid for. So, not going to do that yet lol
My f450 does the same thing when driving down the highway and I drive into a rut. It's really bad on uneven lanes. I thought some was wrong when the dealership could not figure out why. Now I am relieved after watching this video.
On the subject of tires, I see the max tire pressure and max load rating. When hitching up a trailer (5th wheel or gooseneck) with about 2000 lbs of tongue weight, do you assume max air pressure or is there some gradient increase to consider? If so, do you consider differences between rear axle and front axle and does the DRW have different computation from a SRW? I appreciate any thoughts you may offer on this.
Thanks for the info on tires. I've recently purchased a 5th wheel TT ahead of having a tow vehicle. I've been reluctant to give up my Jeep so I can buy one. 🙂 However, I'll need to make that move soon. I'm curious if there's any tire rotation for DRW trucks since it seems the tires on the rear axle might have a more defined purpose by design. I'm limiting myself to looking at Ram 3500 and F350's. I'm still in shock over the huge towing capacity variations for the same model truck. Do I need to have significant concern over any after market wheels on a truck or are they all expected to be equal or better in weight capacity? With a Jeep, I know I need to look at hub centric vs lug centric to know which is better for reliability.
im an up and coming truck owner and the level of knowledge you possess is incredible. im also a long time powerstroke dealership technician. this info is really really good! i like to understand what im working on and driving and your giving me more info than ive ever been able to take in period! very good vids that apply directly too me, thanks again
being that this is a class 4 medium duty vehicle, do you still have to go through the annual DOT inspection/have DOT number/ and carry med card??? i know the 450/550 cab&chassis you do
Thanks for the video and information on tires. It helps towards comparing the F350 versus F450. The stiffer 19.5 tire no doubt can handle greater overload conditions. But if you stay within the rated load, the F350 and F450 duallies have essentially the same capacity. In this case, the points you bring up suggest the F350 and its tires are the better choice – less expensive and more readily available tires, better handling and drift characteristics, etc. Would you agree, or am I missing something?
I have had that problem on all super duty ford truck I've driven for work . All the truck where bear bone plan trucks I always figured that y they did that . My coworkers just got an f350 duly platinum and dose not have that problem. I drive the same truck but the plane daisy and I'm alway trying to keep the dam thing on the road when I hit a bump and makes it worse when I have wight on a trailer. F250 and f350 are what I've had that happen.duly and not duly
I just placed an order for a F450. Driving a dually will be new to me but I wanted to give one a try since I only use my truck to pull a trailer and I am upgrading to a 38 foot gooseneck. Anyway, I believe what you are referring to in this video is called tramlining. My first new car was a '96 Z28 SS which had a big tendency to tramline. However, that was due to the width of the tire.
I have this truck on order with these tires so the timing of your video is great. I can tell its a firmer ride and it follows road irregularities a bit more but not bad. If the truck was really rough you would hear it in your voice while recording this video and you were able to talk like normal. I will be adding 3k to the cab chassis so it will probably change the way is feels and tracks aswell. Thanks!
in reference to the 19.5 tires & wheels. You said you planned on keeping this 450 for a couple more years. Why not go to Alcoa or weld and get a set if 20 or even 22 inch from them that will fit the truck? the 17 even has the same lug pattern so you could use them on your new truck also?
hmm question. would you be able to go up to a 22.5 much like the semi size? i would think it might help tire availability because its common on semi lol
The 19.5 tires are no big deal I've had trucks with them for years they last longer they carry a load better I would never buy Continental 19.5s they are shit they came factory on Fords the rubber compound is hard they wear good but they handle like crap. Run Michelin or Bridgestone 19.5s they ride and handle better, my last F-450 cab and chassis truck with flatdeck I had I carried up to 5 ton no way in hell can you do that on 17-18 inch pickup tires. When you are squatting 225/70.19.5 your carrying some weight, 550 I used to drive I put nearly 6 tons on it. BTW you mount 19.5 tires with spoons the tire shops you deal with must be a bunch of fucking jam tarts. Been around trucking all my life this video made me laugh.
19.5's are considered commercial tires. 19.5" tires aren't themselves hard to mount, it's the Continental that is extremely difficult. They have very stiff sidewalls and beads that make it hard to mount. I think the 19.5's look sick on the the dailies. Put some Michelin XZE's on next and it will be a world of difference.
Just wanted to add, I had custom 22.5 rims made for my f350. Singles. Each tire is capable of 5500 lbs. at 110 psi. I will never have over 11,000 lbs on my rear axle. I run low pro's (drop axle semi) and are about 37" in diameter. Around town they run at 35 psi and are quite flexible. They last forever and have been on this truck for 9 years. The point of all this was to carry a big Truck Camper and eliminate the sway from the tires without having duels sticking out on back roads.
its like driving a big truck. just let the truck drive it self. when it falls in those ruts just let it happen. dont fight it to get out of them. that's were it will get squarely if you fight it.
watched this video because I work at a tire shop(discount tire) and we aren't allowed to work on 19.5 or 22.5 because of the escalated dangers and also the heavy duty equipment required which we don't have…anyways thanks for being informative great vid
Good Info! Does your truck shake at all between 65-80 mph? I have been trying to chase down a violent vibration issue since new. Upgraded to Good Year, then to Michelin XDS2 and vibration still exists.
Never run the HDR on a steer axle. Most tires built for a steer axle (HSR) are considered "all position" so you can run those on drive axles. The 19.5's follow ruts in the road not only because they are stiff but also because they have a very square shoulder (where sidewall meets tread). This leads me to my next point. Because the tread face is very flat and the shoulder is so square at high speeds the tread face will deform from centrifugal force causing a feeling of vague steering.
Thanks for the interesting video. Hitting on some great topics on this channel. Nice Content! If you don't mind, I would like to add some additional information about the 19.5 rims. All X.5 height rims, 16.5, 17.5, 19.5, 22.5, 24.5 for example have a 15 degree bead taper. This is vs. the normal more common 5 degree bead taper on other size rims. (16/17/18/20/22" etc)
The higher 15 degree taper actually allows for easier field/roadside replacement of tires. Any tire shop should not have a problem mounting tires to your 19.5" rims, if they do, they probably shouldn't be in the tire business!
The 5 degree taper found most commonly on LT non X.5 size rims also have what is called a "safety bead" on the inboard side to keep the tire affixed to the rim at low pressures. Most X.5 rims do NOT have this safety bead and simply/easily "flop" off the rim if air loss occurs.
Definitely noticed the movement on the road. Used to have a truck that took 8.75 x 16.5 tires 8 ply. bias ply They were expensive, could be hard to find and hard to find a place to mount them for the very same reasons you mentioned. We were told that any larger a tire would require a split rim, this was in the 70's mind u. My choice for an rv would be something that could be pulled by a 3/4 tone as more capacity does come at some downside.
Hello sir, You can help me choose which tires to put on my Ford F-350 dually. I work with a 4 car trailer and I do almost 2000 miles a week, I'm doing this for almost a year and now it's time to change the tires but I do not know what to put it on. Originally the f350 comes with Michelin and lasted 80k miles but they are very expensive to face that expense and I wanted to know if you can recommend me another brand. Thank you
missing a huge point here, the ford 450, 550 is a wide track truck and the rut wander is because of that more so than the tires, they have a odd ball width and that's why they pull, doesn't matter about the tire so much.
Bridgestone and Michelin both make a 19.5 RV tire that offer a softer side wall tire giving a lil better ride and less road walk. Just a FYI
Looks like 22.5"s would clear.
A set of those would last a long time.
Good Info.
Want the price on them tries?.how the gas mileage?
Very good information. Would like to know your ideas on spacers on a dually to increase size of tire. Is it safe to tow a heavy 5th wheel – 15000 lbs? I'd like a larger tire but not at the expense of my family's safety. Thank you.
can you put 17s on a 450? I just want the turning radius
I have a 2017 F-350 and 2018 F-450 Dually’s I hate with a passion the F-450 tires!!! It does exactly what you said and let alone grip in wet roads and snow sucks as well!
One point to recognize, the 450's are a mid-size truck and handle accordingly. Not to be confused with how a 3/4 ton handles….
How about using the 225/70 19.5 on an RV? I hear lots of good things about Boar Wheel in South Dakota offering trailer rim/tire combinations…
Just how big are you? Or how small is that tire? The proportions are all weird in this video!
Where do you get your tired balanced? I have a 2012 f450 with 225/70/19.5 and they vibrate and shake the steering wheel. They have dynabeads in the tires but they don't help. I've been to two tire shops and they turned me away what's the deal.
Can you recomend rims for non-dualy? I have a f250 with the v10 I use primarily for towing. I would love to have a diesel dually but the truck is paid for. So, not going to do that yet lol
I'm running 245s no problem on a Ford wheel
My f450 does the same thing when driving down the highway and I drive into a rut. It's really bad on uneven lanes. I thought some was wrong when the dealership could not figure out why. Now I am relieved after watching this video.
On the subject of tires, I see the max tire pressure and max load rating. When hitching up a trailer (5th wheel or gooseneck) with about 2000 lbs of tongue weight, do you assume max air pressure or is there some gradient increase to consider? If so, do you consider differences between rear axle and front axle and does the DRW have different computation from a SRW? I appreciate any thoughts you may offer on this.
Ruts suck for sure! Try thicker sway bars, they helped on mine. Night and day!
Thanks for the info on tires. I've recently purchased a 5th wheel TT ahead of having a tow vehicle. I've been reluctant to give up my Jeep so I can buy one. 🙂 However, I'll need to make that move soon. I'm curious if there's any tire rotation for DRW trucks since it seems the tires on the rear axle might have a more defined purpose by design. I'm limiting myself to looking at Ram 3500 and F350's. I'm still in shock over the huge towing capacity variations for the same model truck. Do I need to have significant concern over any after market wheels on a truck or are they all expected to be equal or better in weight capacity? With a Jeep, I know I need to look at hub centric vs lug centric to know which is better for reliability.
im an up and coming truck owner and the level of knowledge you possess is incredible. im also a long time powerstroke dealership technician. this info is really really good! i like to understand what im working on and driving and your giving me more info than ive ever been able to take in period! very good vids that apply directly too me, thanks again
There are bigger size options up to a 35.5" tire if you were to change fenders and trim. I have not been able to find a lift kit for a 450, why you really need one though is beyond me just a little taller tires. https://www.toyotires.com/commercial/tire/pattern/m608-regional-and-urban-drive-tire
being that this is a class 4 medium duty vehicle, do you still have to go through the annual DOT inspection/have DOT number/ and carry med card??? i know the 450/550 cab&chassis you do
basically he's saying its going to steer like a semi. My freightliner does this and so does my 2015 f450
Will you make a video of the next set of tires for your f450 and why you choose them?
Thanks for the video and information on tires. It helps towards comparing the F350 versus F450. The stiffer 19.5 tire no doubt can handle greater overload conditions. But if you stay within the rated load, the F350 and F450 duallies have essentially the same capacity. In this case, the points you bring up suggest the F350 and its tires are the better choice – less expensive and more readily available tires, better handling and drift characteristics, etc. Would you agree, or am I missing something?
I have had that problem on all super duty ford truck I've driven for work . All the truck where bear bone plan trucks I always figured that y they did that . My coworkers just got an f350 duly platinum and dose not have that problem. I drive the same truck but the plane daisy and I'm alway trying to keep the dam thing on the road when I hit a bump and makes it worse when I have wight on a trailer. F250 and f350 are what I've had that happen.duly and not duly
I just placed an order for a F450. Driving a dually will be new to me but I wanted to give one a try since I only use my truck to pull a trailer and I am upgrading to a 38 foot gooseneck. Anyway, I believe what you are referring to in this video is called tramlining. My first new car was a '96 Z28 SS which had a big tendency to tramline. However, that was due to the width of the tire.
I have this truck on order with these tires so the timing of your video is great. I can tell its a firmer ride and it follows road irregularities a bit more but not bad. If the truck was really rough you would hear it in your voice while recording this video and you were able to talk like normal. I will be adding 3k to the cab chassis so it will probably change the way is feels and tracks aswell. Thanks!
in reference to the 19.5 tires & wheels. You said you planned on keeping this 450 for a couple more years. Why not go to Alcoa or weld and get a set if 20 or even 22 inch from them that will fit the truck? the 17 even has the same lug pattern so you could use them on your new truck also?
Hey I have a question are all four rear rims aluminum mag rims or are the inside ones steel?
hmm question. would you be able to go up to a 22.5 much like the semi size? i would think it might help tire availability because its common on semi lol
The 19.5 tires are no big deal I've had trucks with them for years they last longer they carry a load better I would never buy Continental 19.5s they are shit they came factory on Fords the rubber compound is hard they wear good but they handle like crap. Run Michelin or Bridgestone 19.5s they ride and handle better, my last F-450 cab and chassis truck with flatdeck I had I carried up to 5 ton no way in hell can you do that on 17-18 inch pickup tires. When you are squatting 225/70.19.5 your carrying some weight, 550 I used to drive I put nearly 6 tons on it. BTW you mount 19.5 tires with spoons the tire shops you deal with must be a bunch of fucking jam tarts. Been around trucking all my life this video made me laugh.
19.5's are considered commercial tires. 19.5" tires aren't themselves hard to mount, it's the Continental that is extremely difficult. They have very stiff sidewalls and beads that make it hard to mount. I think the 19.5's look sick on the the dailies. Put some Michelin XZE's on next and it will be a world of difference.
Just wanted to add, I had custom 22.5 rims made for my f350. Singles. Each tire is capable of 5500 lbs. at 110 psi. I will never have over 11,000 lbs on my rear axle. I run low pro's (drop axle semi) and are about 37" in diameter. Around town they run at 35 psi and are quite flexible. They last forever and have been on this truck for 9 years. The point of all this was to carry a big Truck Camper and eliminate the sway from the tires without having duels sticking out on back roads.
its like driving a big truck. just let the truck drive it self. when it falls in those ruts just let it happen. dont fight it to get out of them. that's were it will get squarely if you fight it.
watched this video because I work at a tire shop(discount tire) and we aren't allowed to work on 19.5 or 22.5 because of the escalated dangers and also the heavy duty equipment required which we don't have…anyways thanks for being informative great vid
Just like driving a big truck
How is the off road traction?
Good Info! Does your truck shake at all between 65-80 mph? I have been trying to chase down a violent vibration issue since new. Upgraded to Good Year, then to Michelin XDS2 and vibration still exists.
Never run the HDR on a steer axle. Most tires built for a steer axle (HSR) are considered "all position" so you can run those on drive axles. The 19.5's follow ruts in the road not only because they are stiff but also because they have a very square shoulder (where sidewall meets tread). This leads me to my next point. Because the tread face is very flat and the shoulder is so square at high speeds the tread face will deform from centrifugal force causing a feeling of vague steering.
Thanks for the interesting video. Hitting on some great topics on this channel. Nice Content! If you don't mind, I would like to add some additional information about the 19.5 rims. All X.5 height rims, 16.5, 17.5, 19.5, 22.5, 24.5 for example have a 15 degree bead taper. This is vs. the normal more common 5 degree bead taper on other size rims. (16/17/18/20/22" etc)
The higher 15 degree taper actually allows for easier field/roadside replacement of tires. Any tire shop should not have a problem mounting tires to your 19.5" rims, if they do, they probably shouldn't be in the tire business!
The 5 degree taper found most commonly on LT non X.5 size rims also have what is called a "safety bead" on the inboard side to keep the tire affixed to the rim at low pressures. Most X.5 rims do NOT have this safety bead and simply/easily "flop" off the rim if air loss occurs.
Definitely noticed the movement on the road. Used to have a truck that took 8.75 x 16.5 tires 8 ply. bias ply They were expensive, could be hard to find and hard to find a place to mount them for the very same reasons you mentioned. We were told that any larger a tire would require a split rim, this was in the 70's mind u. My choice for an rv would be something that could be pulled by a 3/4 tone as more capacity does come at some downside.